how to set a sip extension to sell minutes

pctouch
Posts: 18
Member Since:
2009-03-27

I have a server with trixbox 2.803 with a2billing 1.6, I own some channels that I sale minutes to my own customer, now I have the opportunity to sale minutes to another company that wants to set a sip trunk so my future customer sets his sip trunk as follow

trunk name: new_provider

host=00.00.00.00
username=name
secret=secret
allow=ulaw,g729

I went to my trixbox server and created an extension
username=name
secret=secret
dtmfmode=rfc2833
canreinvite =no
context=from-trunk
host=dynamic
type=peer
nat=yes
port=5060
qualify=yes
disallaw=all
allow=ulaw,g729

when my customer tries to place a call my serve doesn't even register his call.

please help in how to set this up



SkykingOH
Posts: 9677
Member Since:
2007-12-17
Don't you think you should

Don't you think you should learn what you are doing before you sell service to customers.

Setting up a trixbox and reselling minutes is nothing short of screwing over people.

I have news for you buddy you are not a phone company.

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Scott

aka "Skyking"



JCRODZ
Posts: 37
Member Since:
2007-03-07
how to set a sip extension to sell minutes

Question? How do you sell minutes to your first customer? and who setup the first SIP account?
if you are not the one who created the first setup, then how are you going to sell minutes?

and SCOTT (skykingOH) you are a JACK ASS - he does not need to be a phone company to sell minutes!
If you do not have anything good or instructive to contribute - get the F@#$*!! off!!!!!! the Forum...



SkykingOH
Posts: 9677
Member Since:
2007-12-17
JCRODZ - I may be a jackass

JCRODZ -

I may be a jackass but that does not in any way change my statement.

Quote:
he does not need to be a phone company to sell minutes!

The minute the customer interconnects to his box and places a phone call he just became a phone company.

I can make a general statement that anyone who installs an all in one ISO as a service provider is completely out of their league.

If the person was capable of setting up the resilient, redundant environment needed to be a service provided he would not have needed to ask this question.

VoIP gets a very bad name with shoddy mom and pop providers. I have a strong opinion on this issue and I will continue to share it.

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Scott

aka "Skyking"



415eric
Posts: 416
Member Since:
2009-10-29
Pretty sure it is actually

Pretty sure it is actually illegal. If he wants to act as a Telco he has to file with the FCC.

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pctouch
Posts: 18
Member Since:
2009-03-27
didnot ask for your opinion I asked for help

It is no illegal to start with my minutes are overseas and my customers are overseas also, I wanted some opinions about What I'm doing I would of ask you but all I wanted is to know how to set it up. Is this a forum for help or a place for people like you to issue opinions when no one had asked you.
If you don't contribute to any help then don't even bother or waist your time criticizing others get busy and mine your business, unless you're going to give a constructive help



pctouch
Posts: 18
Member Since:
2009-03-27
Scott your opinion doesn't

Scott your opinion doesn't change the fact that you probably would like to have what others do, and probably that is what you don't like, face it, you are probably one of those that thinks that knows to much but are nothing but a looser. If I ask is because I want to increase my business and at least do something positive instead of wasting my time to put down what others.



SkykingOH
Posts: 9677
Member Since:
2007-12-17
Quote: face it, you are
Quote:
face it, you are probably one of those that thinks that knows to much but are nothing but a looser.

I think you should check bio's before you make statements such as this.

I am the CTO of a regional VoIP carrier in Northern Ohio. Over the years I have contributed to the development of IETF RFC2543/3261 (SIP) and placed more Asterisk and Open Source VoIP in carrier and enterprise environments than I care to think about.

This is not an attack on you, simply your business plan. I certainly did not make it personal. The name calling only serves to underscore my comments.

trixbox is not the appropriate platform for this. Certainly you do not use extensions as peers. I am not going to show you how to cheat and use trixbox for this application. If you had bothered to learn about FreePBX and Asterisk (the core of trixbox) as the tools to "increase your business" you would know how to setup and authenticate remote peers.

Instead you downloaded an ISO and decided that reselling minutes is a great idea.

Let me ask you a few questions about your business model -

1 - What type of clustering or redundancy do you plan on implementing?
2 - Since the users will be accessing the system remotely what perimeter security do you have in place?
3 - Have you considered a Session Border Controller to alleviate NAT traversal issues?
4 - If the traffic is traversing the US you must provision for CALEA, the ability to respond to lawful intercept orders

You may ask why I take this so seriously? The reason is customers can't easily differentiate between carriers that lack resources and infrastructure and providers such as ourselves that have made the commitment to locate our equipment in tier 3 data centers, peer with tier 1 providers and build business process that creates reliable service.

So the reverse of what you said is true. I have what you want. The sad thing is you don't want to actually listen to an expert.

By the way the context is wrong in your extension.

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Scott

aka "Skyking"



Astrosmurfer
Posts: 643
Member Since:
2009-12-28
By the way the context is

By the way the context is wrong in your extension.

ROFLMAO



pctouch
Posts: 18
Member Since:
2009-03-27
please help

astromurfer could you please help me out in how to set it up.

Thanks



pctouch
Posts: 18
Member Since:
2009-03-27
I got it

context=from-internal

thanks



SkykingOH
Posts: 9677
Member Since:
2007-12-17
Can't pay for entertainment

Can't pay for entertainment like this.

Now he is on his way to delivering crappy service to his victims, er I mean customers.

Notice how he did not respond to the architecture questions.

Just for a bit more ball busting as I am in a particularly pernicious mood, let's review Gus's posting history:

I am nothing if not consistent, this inquiry was how to setup his trunk, I flamed him on this post also.

http://trixbox.org/forums/trixbox-forums/trunks/im-new-terminatio...

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Scott

aka "Skyking"



JCRODZ
Posts: 37
Member Since:
2007-03-07
SKYKING Idiot -you do not have to be a TELCO to sell Tone

I have news for "SkyKng" or should I say "jackassking" first of all you do not need to be a Telco to sell dial tone - specially over the internet-- I have, and I am selling dial tone, 5 years now and NO I am NOT a TELCO, CLEC or ILEC as long as I pay them (CLEC, ILEC or TELCO) I can re-sell dial tone to whom ever wants it and that is the end of it...You may know Asterisk and Trixbox but you do not know anything about business - Ask fonality if they are a TELCO - CLEC or ILEC? they also sell dial tone but do not act or be a phone company- Get out of your shell and before you shut someone down, know your facts - sure you have the right to your opinion, (means nothing to me anyway) but I have news for you guy, I am not a phone company , yet I'm making LOTS OF MONEY selling phone company dial tone - and the Bad wrap about VoIP - tell that to someone that cares - I've tried -
If you have nothing interesting or beneficial to say in this forum, do us all a favor, just get the hell out and stop using precious space, and by the way I am not the only one that feel this way about you comments - ask around -



Astrosmurfer
Posts: 643
Member Since:
2009-12-28
Really JCRODZ? You've been

Really JCRODZ? You've been doing it for 5 years and you come here last week to ask how to do it?

I don't want to call you a liar but, I will call you an idiot. Best of luck to you and your "LOTS OF MONEY".



SkykingOH
Posts: 9677
Member Since:
2007-12-17
Confused Individual

Ummm - Astrosmurfer you have JCRODZ confused with the OP. JCRODZ had been around awhile and has helped others with usefull suggestions.

Now JCRODZ - I don't care about your opinion of me or the the fact you claim to speak for others. What I do care about is your distortion of the facts.

I never claimed that you needed to be a "telco" to resell VoIP services

I have stated over and over that any ISO is the wrong platform to create a hosting platform from.

Additionally I have stated that as the last mile provider you will be served with lawful intercept orders under CALEA and have to comply.

I may have mentioned on occasion that you are responsible for USF recovery fees and may pass these from your downstream carriers.

Lastly I always state that you owe it to your customers to have a robust infrastructure. We have had individuals try and start a hosting company on cable modes and single t1's.

As far as not knowing anything about business, do you actually read my posts or just flame? I have offered up more business advice than I have technical.

I have been in telcom for 28 years, 24 in management. I am the CTO of a regional provider/ITSP that has been in the VoIP space for 10 years!

I would rather be an experienced, successful jackass than just a jackass.

Lastly, if you don't know what the Skyking handle is about I again suggest you close your mouth and do a little research. It has nothing to do with being a "king". Skyking was a character in a 1950's TV show that flew his aircraft (A Cessna 310) around and helped folks out. A precursor to Knight Rider. I have been a licensed pilot for over 20 years and operate a Cessna 210. That is where the handle came from.

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Scott

aka "Skyking"



Astrosmurfer
Posts: 643
Member Since:
2009-12-28
My apologies to JCRODZ. I

My apologies to JCRODZ.

I had confused his post as being form the original poster, pctouch.



shrek
Posts: 3
Member Since:
2010-06-05
Beneficial?

Let's see who has nothing beneficial to say...

pctouch posts = 14 (in 1 year)
JCRODZ posts = 37 (in 3 years)
SkykingOH posts = 7681 (less than 2.5 years)

Would like to know if there are others in this forum that have made a similar number of HELPFUL and BENEFICIAL posts that SkykingOH as made!

Certainly JCRODZ doesn't even come close!



DustinW
Posts: 16
Member Since:
2009-10-22
Relevant info to OP: You

Relevant info to OP: You named your trunk new_provider and put your extension in the context from-trunk. Did you include your trunk information in the context of your extensions.conf?

Hijacked info: I have noticed that the majority of the "flaming" posts I have seem from SkyKing start with the OP asking for free information on how to use an automated install to make money without any R&D of their own; or when someone blatantly disregards laws, ignores common sense, infringes on ToS like agreements, or just plain out seems to be of shady character. I can understand his frustration of "up and comers" who undersell someone for the sole purpose of gaining customers and $$$ without providing adequate service to compensate. Then when the customer get's fed up with the less than professional service, bad reviews about the product in general circulate and a bad taste is left in the mouths of the general population about the overall product. If you are really in it to understand the product and eventually make a marketable solution, then at least start out like lots of others. Sell service to your friends and family at cost with no agreements necessary. Then, you get plenty of experience, no one loses financially, and you don't degrade the overall product to the general population.



415eric
Posts: 416
Member Since:
2009-10-29
The fact of the matter is

The fact of the matter is you can't be a hosted VOIP provider overnight. You also can't become a LEGAL hosted provider by throwing a ISO on a box and calling your self a a hosted VOIP provider. My company has been in the process of becoming a hosted VOIP provider and it takes many months, a few lawyers, a few large stacks of paper work, and last but not least a sizable chunk of money. Just to be clear we are not using trixbox for this.

Some idiot that wants to take a trixbox and throw it in his office and call himself a hosted VOIP provider is bad for anyone wanting to sell VOIP.

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